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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2002_08_14 Planning Board Minutes AMENDED MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PLANNING BOARD OF THE TOWN OF MAMARONECK AUGUST 14, 2002, IN THE COURT ROOM, TOWN CENTER 740 WEST BOSTON POST ROAD MAMARONECK, NEW YORK Present: Marilyn S. Reader, Chairwoman May W. Aisen Robert A. Cohen Edward Z. Jacobson C. Alan Mason Edmund Papazian Marc H. Rosenbaum Also Present: Kevin T. Moore, Assistant Director of Building Michael Stein, Consulting Engineer � Elizabeth Paul, Environmental Coordinator Nancy Seligson, Liaison �`j NQ// C4i7; C 'a'ic,,4 " 00 _ Denise M. Carbone, Public Stenographers ,fir t�,t Carbone & Associates, Ltd. • f, ! 111 N. Central Park Avenue Hartsdale, New York 10530 `L/ti OA Marguerite Roma, Recording Secretary CALL TO ORDER The meeting was called to order by Chairwoman Marilyn Reader at 8:20 p.m. THE PUBLIC STENOGRAPHER WAS PRESENT FOR THIS MEETING AND HER TRANSCRIPT IS A PERMANENT PART OF THIS RECORD. APPROVAL OF MINUTES Ms. Reader asked if the Board members had reviewed the draft Minutes of June 12 , 2002 and if there were any amendments. After some discussion and corrections noted on page 4, on a motion made by Mr. Jacobson, seconded by Mr. Rosenbaum, the June 12, 2002 Amended Minutes were approved. Ms. Reader said, then we have a transcript of the meeting. Ms. Reader said this is just part of the meeting, with which the secretary agreed. Ms. Reader said why don't we wait until Ms. Gallent returns the draft of the July 10, 2002 meeting. Ms. Aisen said as I was quoted in these Minutes, I assume I was present and not absent, although listed as absent on the face page. After some discussion, corrections were noted to be made by the Court Stenographer. Mr. Rosenbaum said on page 8 of the transcript, starting on line six (6)through line ten(10), of the June 12, 2002 meeting, it was a statement which is more than comprehensible and it's attributed to Dr. Mason. Unfortunately, it was Marc Rosenbaum who made that statement. CPO Ms. Reader read the application as follows: PUBLIC HEARING-FRESHWATER WETLANDS AND WATER COURSES PERMIT-Hampshire Country Club/Tony Campanella - 1025 Cove Road - Block 414, Lot 20 (adjourned 6/12/02) • Planning Board August 14,2002 Page 2 After some discussion,this matter was adjourned to the October 9,2002 Planning Board meeting. Ms.Reader read the next application as follows: PUBLIC HEARING-FRESHWATER WETLANDS AND WATER COURSES PERMIT-Michael Targoff/Michele Callisto-52 Country Road-Block 315,Lot 463 After some discussion,this matter was adjourned to the September 11,2002 Planning Board meeting. Ms.Reader read the next application as follows: PUBLIC HEARING-FRESHWATER WETLANDS AND WATER COURSES PERMIT-Valerie Werter Green-30 Rockland Avenue-Block 222,Lot 1 After some discussion,the following resolution was unanimously adopted: WHEREAS,Valerie Werter Green has applied for a permit for an extension pursuant to Mamaroneck Town Code Chapter 114 for the premises located at Lot No.30 Rockland Avenue and known on the Tax Assessment Map of the Town of Mamaroneck as Block 222,Lot 1;and WHEREAS,this Planning Board has previously determined that the proposed action is a Type II action and that no further review is required under SEQRA;and WHEREAS, the Consulting Engineer to the Town has submitted comments and recommendations in writing regarding this application to the Planning Board;and WHEREAS,this Planning Board has determined,pursuant to Mamaroneck Town Code Chapter 114,that the activity proposed is of a minor nature and is compatible pursuant to 6 NYCRR§665.7; WHEREAS,a Public Hearing pursuant to Mamaroneck Town Code Chapter 114 having been held on August 14,2002; NOW,THEREFORE,BE IT RESOLVED,that this Board makes findings as follows: 1. The activity proposed is of such a minor nature as not to affect or endanger the balance of systems in a controlled area; 2. The proposed activity will be compatible with the preservation, protection and conservation of the wetland and its benefits,because(A)the proposed activity will have only a minor impact,(B)it is the only practical alternative,and(C)it is compatible with the economic and social needs of the community and will not impose an economic or social burden on the community; 3. The proposed activity will result in no more than insubstantial degradation to,or loss of any part of the wetland because of the minor impact of the activity and the protective conditions imposed by this resolution; 4. The proposed activity will be compatible with the public health and welfare,because of its minor impact in the controlled area. BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED,that the application of Valerie Werter Green for a permit,pursuant to Mamaroneck Town Code Chapter 114,be and it hereby is granted subject to the following terms and conditions: • Planning Board August 14,2002 Page 3 1. The project pursuant to the plans with the last revision date of August 6,2002; 2. This permit is personal to the applicant and may not be transferred to any other individual,entity or combination thereof; 3. All debris is to be removed prior to the completion of the project. Construction must be in accordance with the requirements of the Town Flood Damage Prevention Code and the Town Erosion and Sedimentation Control Law; 4. Work involving site preparation shall only take place from Monday through Friday between the hours of 8:30 a.m.and 4:30 p.m.; 5. A cash deposit or bond for$1,500.00 shall be furnished to the Town by the applicant to ensure the satisfactory completion of the project and the rehabilitation of the affected or disturbed area; 6. This permit shall expire upon completion of the proposed activity or one year from the date of its issue whichever first occurs. On a motion made and seconded,it was unanimously RESOLVED,that the Public Hearing be,and hereby is,declared closed. Ms.Reader read the next application as follows: CONSIDERATION-SITE PLAN/FRESHWATER WETLANDS AND WATER COURSES PERMIT -Bonnie Briar Country Club/Todd Zom-808 Weaver Street-Block 225,Lot 1 Mr. Zom said as everyone knows we've been here the last few months getting some work approved. We're trying to make some more improvements to the golf course. Ms.Reader asked if the whole project's done already. Mr.Zom said no. We're going to start in the fall. We have some preparatory work going on,but nothing major is going on. We're before this Board to put in two more tees,#12 and#18,and add a comfort station to the golf course,a rest room facility. We don't have anything right now. We're going to try to increase the membership facilities. Ms.Reader asked if these rest rooms are for the players. Mr.Zom said that's correct. He said while Steve Grogg is on vacation Ralph Peragine will take over. Mr.Peragine said: I'll answer any questions you have. Ms.Reader asked Mr.Peragine to take the Board through the project. Mr.Peragine said: What we're going to be doing is adding new tees. After some discussion regarding the plans being reviewed,Ms.Reader asked: What are the other two holes,4 and 14? Mr.Zom said: The holes are 4 and 14,correct. Ms.Reader asked: Are you going to be doing all 18 eventually? Planning Board August 14,2002 Page 4 OMr.Zom said: No. We're trying to fix the ones that we can. Mr.Rosenbaum asked: Are you going to open the length of the course? Mr.Zorn said: Eventually we'd like to get it to 6700 yards. Right now it's just under 6200. These were approved in the spring and the ones,if they are approved,will come to about 6300. SOMEONE IS SPEAKING BUT CAN'T BE HEARD! Ms.Reader said: No it's not. I seem to remember when they were doing the recreation area,Bonnie Briar said we don't have enough footprint. Will you ever really ever be professional? Mr.Zorn said: From a course viewpoint,definitely not. From a parking standpoint,probably not either unless some kind of parking is put somewhere else. Dr.Mason said: I fmd it a great detention area. We use it all the time. After some discussion,a gentleman said: My name is Ralph Peragine. I'm with TRC...inaudible and am filling in for Steve Grogg tonight. The holes that we're working on are hole#12. We're going to be placing an additional tee to the back of the existing tee. If you look on the aerial...interrupted. Ms.Aisen said it's very hard to see that. Mr.Peragine said if you look at the aerial photo,he pointed out the existing tee and demonstrated where they will be placing the new one,the shaded area. We're also adding an additional tee on hole number 18 which is directly behind the existing tee,the red area. Ms.Reader said: When you say you're adding an additional tee,do you have a man and a woman tee and you're adding a third tee? Mr.Peragine said: There's a tee there already. We're trying to put a separate tee to the left,#12. Ms.Reader asked: You're going to have two#12's? Mr.Peragine said: No,two tees for that hole. He demonstrated on the drawings in front of the Board. Ms.Reader said: For somebody who doesn't want to shoot,one can take the shorter and the other person the other? After some discussion,Mr.Peragine said they have a series of tees. Some courses have four tees. Ms.Aisen asked: Four#12's? Mr.Zom said it's the same hole,but there's a set of two markers for each area. They are playing for a different set of yardage. Dr.Mason said that looks like a substantial change. Is that going to change the par value at all for that hole? Mr.Zorn said no. Ms.Reader asked: How much further is the second tee coming back in#12? Mr.Peragine said approximately 200 ft. Planning Board August 14,2002 Page 5 Ms.Reader said: #18 is what? Mr.Zom said it's approximately 60 ft. Mr.Cohen asked: How high up do you build this tee? Is that what you're doing,building it up? Mr.Peragine said: Both of them are being built up. In the case of hole#12,we're placing approximately 16 ft.at center of the tee,sloping back down to natural grade. Dr.Mason asked: What's the slope? Mr.Peragine said two on one slope;two horizontal,one vertical. Ms.Reader asked: What about at#18. Mr.Peragine said: At#18 we're placing approximately 6 ft.to 8 ft.of fill. We're adding retaining walls down the back,because the existing slope in the back by the tee is too steep and we wouldn't catch up the grade in placing excess..inaudible. Ms.Reader asked: How high is your retaining wall,what material? Mr.Zorn said stone. Mr.Peragine said just a note about the retaining wall. It's...inaudible 12 ft.to 15 ft.high on Weaver QStreet. Mr.Cohen said: Can you see it from Weaver Street? Mr.Peragine said there's trees there now,but you can still see it. Ms.Reader said the wall itself will be visible,as you're driving along Weaver Street. Mr.Peragine said definitely in the winter time. Ms.Reader asked what's there now? Mr.Peragine said there's loose rocks and boulders on the side of the tee. The tee is built up as it is now, but it's not anything stable. Mr.Rosenbaum asked: Do you have to take down any trees? Mr.Peragine said the total for the whole project is 26 trees,combined between both tees and one at the comfort station. Ms.Aisen asked: Where is the comfort station? Mr.Zorn said it's over by the 15th green,and demonstrated on the drawings before the Board. Ms.Reader asked how many trees are coming down for hole#12. Q Mr.Zorn said while Mr.Peragine is looking for the exact number,most of the trees will be coming from the 12th tee,and demonstrated same on the drawing before the Board. Mr.Peragine said: I don't have the exact count for the hole. • Planning Board August 14,2002 Page 6 oDr.Mason said it has it on the plan. Mr.Peragine said approximately 16 on hole 12. Dr.Mason said: Bring that tee back and to the left and bring all those trees on the left side...inaudible. Dr.Mason asked what kind of shape are they in? They're big trees. Mr.Peragine said there are about five to eight of them. They are probably in poor shape and wouldn't survive anyway. Ms.Reader asked if Ms.Paul is here. She was. Ms.Reader said in reference to the trees that are there,they have to get a permit. CAN'T HEAR CLEARLY! Ms.Aisen said we need some advice. Ms.Reader said we're asking specifically for some input on the specifics of how many trees are coming down and the size of them. Ms.Paul said: Can we tag the trees? QCAN'T HEAR;EVERYONE IS SPEAKING AT ONCE! Ms.Reader said that Dr.Mason has asked for photographs. Ms.Reader said maybe we can do a site view. Mr.Cohen said I would almost like to do a site visit,if you could tag the trees before we get there. Ms.Paul said that's no problem. Dr. Mason said: Let us know,from a golfmg point of view,if a particular tree is going to be a real impediment. Allow us to at least grade what you're trying to achieve. Mr.Zorn said what I would suggest is to replace this. I can even have my superintendent or my golf professional,who could tell you. Mr.Cohen said: Could you point out where the comfort station is located? Mr.Zorn proceeded to do this. Mr.Zom said: It's approximately 10 ft.by 16 ft.;we placed some fill here,in order to...interrupted. Mr.Rosenbaum said: Where's the septic tank? Mr.Zom pointed it out. Mr.Zorn pointed out where the leaching field is. He said that's the location of the leaching field and is subject to testing perks,deep hole testing and to a permit by the County Health Department. O Mr.Rosenbaum asked: Is there any way to control the(CAN'T HEAR WHAT MR.ROSENBAUM IS SAYING)to the club house or nearby sewers? Mr.Zom said it's a long distance to the club house. • Planning Board August 14,2002 Page 7 Mr.Rosenbaum said: That's not my question. The first time you got in here,to get to your club house ...inaudible. Mr.Zom said the club house would probably be next to impossible. He pointed out the closest area to the club house and said it's at total opposite ends of the...inaudible. After further discussion regarding the sewer,Mr.Zom said it's on Country Club Drive or Bonnie Briar Lane,the other side,depending on how you...inaudible. Dr.Mason asked: What's the distance on that from the comfort station to Bonnie Briar Lane? Mr.Peragine said you're looking roughly at 460 ft. We have all private property homes there,so we wouldn't be able to get to it without securing some type of cooperation from the..inaudible. There are individual homes all along there. There's really no place for the applicant to set it up against the road. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO HEAR WHAT'S BEING SAID! Dr.Mason said: You could put it up against Weaver Street. The reason I'm pursuing this is the water company plant on the opposite side of Weaver Street did not have sanitary facility until a few years ago. They ran Ph inch thick wall PVC all the way up,I'm guessing 800 ft.from the potting shed out,and another 250 ft.back to the water shed,about 1,000 ft. I'm just a little surprised that they're even talking about a septic system. Mr. Peragine said the County has to approve them on number of factors in Westchester. I know Qspecifically...inaudible. I know we've done two or three of them....inaudible. Dr.Mason said it certainly would be desirable to get into the septic system...inaudible. Ms.Reader asked:You'd rather not on site? Dr.Mason said: On site. I can see the drawbacks of the fence....inaudible. I'd rather have it go out to the..inaudible. Mr.Zom said plus the trench and rock in that area too. Dr.Mason said that's why it's costing more than the...inaudible. Mr.Rosenbaum said I notice on your appendix"A"to the Full Environmental Assessment Form,question "C",3;What's the maximum potential development of the site if developed as permitted by the present zoning?" He said you have 81,615 sq.ft.building coverage? It seems enormous. Mr.Peragine asked where that was referred to. Mr.Rosenbaum said on page 5,paragraph C.(3). Ms.Reader asked: Is that the total square footage of all? Mr.Zorn said that's all buildings. Mr.Rosenbaum asked: How big is the comfort station? Mr.Zom said it's small,about 160 to 250 sq.ft. Mr.Rosenbaum said on B21,the project will result in an increase of energy..inaudible. • Planning Board August 14,2002 Page 8 Mr.Zom said it will be very minimal. WHOMEVER IS SPEAKING CAN'T BE CLEARLY HEARD! Mr.Peragine said interior lighting...inaudible. EVERYONE IS SPEAKING AMONG THEMSELVES ON THE DIAS! ...(?),like I said,a couple of toilets and a couple of sinks. Mr.Stein said(CAN'T HEAR!)for the comfort station,the retention system...inaudible would be over 100 sq.ft. The structure itself with the overhang would be 10 ft.by 15 ft.,plus another 10 ft.overhang for the comfort station. Mr.Peragine asked: You're talking about the roof on it? We could just put some kind of infiltrator on it. It's not long. It's the minimal means...inaudible infiltrators. Mr.Peragine said it depends on the number of foursomes that are out for the day. Mr.Zom said it depends on the day of the week and time of the year. Dr.Mason said what are we looking at? Mr.Zom said at the highest you're going to get 125 people out in the day. QMr.Peragine said a quick estimate,about 100 gallons per day. Dr.Mason said at 1.6 gallons per flush? Mr.Peragine said one gallon per flush. After some discussion,(CAN'T HEAR),Dr.Mason said one gallon per flush. Mr.Peragine said I believe the code is one gallon per flush...inaudible. Dr.Mason said and then your septic system has to be able to handle 200 or something... Mr.Peragine said whatever the Planning of the Town Dr.Mason said: What does that require in the way of a septic field....how big a pipe Mr.Peragine said we haven't done the perc test yet,but we did some notations. We used approximately 15...inaudible. We're looking at 45 linear feet of trench. Dr.Mason said that's less than a house. Mr.Peragine said you're not getting a lot of use. A four bedroom house would use 475 gallons a day. Mr.Moore said and no showers. Mr.Peragine said right,no showers,no dishwasher.... Ms.Reader asked,anything else? Planning Board August 14,2002 Page 9 Dr.Mason said accessibility from the 15th and...inaudible fairway. Mr.Zorn said 15 and 5,on both sides. Dr.Mason said placement is important. Mr.Cohen said....inaudible are you going to remove them? Mr.Zom said yes. Ms.Reader asked,how close will you now be to Weaver Street,if you do an additional tee? Mr.Zom said not any closer. It's running parallel. It's no closer than the existing. Ms.Reader said you're building something that's 12 ft.,13 ft.with a retaining wall. Will that become ...I'll perhaps be more concemed about the Freshwater Wetlands..inaudible. Is that something you can fall off of? Mr.Zom said we can just put a fence and railing in back of it. Mr.Peragine said the State Building Code requires a fence on anything in excess of 3 ft. ....inaudible requirement of the height of the fence. Ms.Reader said you have to do work that much further back. QMr.Zorn said either that or go back and see what would be useful anyway. You couldn't get that far back. Ms.Paul said how much fill are you bringing in for each location? Mr.Peragine said I estimated that here tonight. I'm looking at hole#12 approximately 1500 yards,hole #18 approximately 1000 and approximately 300 for the comfort station. It's just an approximation. I'd have to do my...inaudible calculation. (MS.READER IS SPEAKING BUT CANNOT BE CLEARLY HEARD;using for bridge;you're using Fenimore or....). Mr.Zom said it was hole#4. Ms.Reader asked,will you be using that same entrance for any of this work? Mr.Zom said no. We'll be using Weaver Street for#12,come up through the main entrance and then back toward the golf course. MS.READER SPOKE BUT CANNOT BE HEARD. Ms. Paul said on page 3 of the Environmental Assessment Form you state it's not in a critical environmental area,but the golf course is a critical environmental area. THERE IS SOME DISCUSSION THAT CAN'T BE HEARD! © Mr.Peragine said there's a percentage to that that is critical to CZMC status,pursuant to the...inaudible. I don't know if it was actually established,...inaudible but that's what they're saying. Planning Board • August 14,2002 Page 10 Ms.Reader asked,which page are you on? Mr.Rosenbaum said page 3,paragraph 19. Ms.Reader asked Ms.Paul to take a look. Mr.Peragine said I was just curious. I have no problem changing it. Ms.Reader said why don't we confirm that with counsel. Why don't we assume that that may need to be changed. Mr.Peragine reiterated,I have no problem changing it. I just didn't know the status pursuant to the ...inaudible. Ms.Reader said Ms.Gallent,Planning Board counsel,is away on vacation and will not be here.(I can't hear you're saying.) Ms.Reader asked,is there anything else? Dr.Mason said I was looking at this large area in front of..inaudible. CAN'T HEAR WHAT'S BEING SAID! Mr.Cohen said when Mr.Carpaneto comes back maybe we can do a site visit and walk through. That Qwill take less time and be visual. We'll have the pole up to the height. The whole thing. Ms.Reader said I'm referring this to the County Planning Board and also to CZMC. She said I believe it is an unlisted action. Ms.Reader said I will be corrected by counsel,if I'm wrong. I'd like to declare us Lead Agency. Ms.Reader informed Mr.Peragine to speak to Elizabeth Paul,regarding the CZMC meeting date. Ms.Paul said the CZMC meets on the August 27,2002 at 8:00 p.m. On a motion made and seconded,it was unanimously RESOLVED,that this matter be scheduled for a Public Hearing to be held on September 11, 2002. Ms.Reader said I will indicate that if there is some sort of memorial service regarding the events that occurred on September 11,2001,this might get adjourned to October meeting. Mr.Zorn asked if the September meeting will be postponed altogether? Dr.Mason said if we push this over to October,we're pushing it to the end of the year. Ms.Reader said we're going to have another issue though. You haven't started the other work yet? Is the fill coming out of the other lots? QMr.Zom said that will be in the fall. Ms.Reader said the question is whether we want truck load after truck load after truck load if it's done in October or November. Planning Board • August 14,2002 Page 11 Dr.Mason said that would push the whole project into next spring. Mr.Zom said the fall would be better. After some discussion,Ms.Reader said Weaver Street is a problem to begin with. IT'S DIFFICULT TO HEAR WHAT'S BEING SAID. (Dr.Mason is saying something,but can't be distinguished.) On a motion and seconded by,it was unanimously RESOLVED, that the this matter be, and hereby is, adjoumed to the September 11, 2002 Planning Board meeting for a public hearing. Ms.Reader asked if they give notice. Ms.Roma said the Town gives notice. NEXT MEETING The next meeting of this Board will be held on September 11,2002. ADJOURNMENT On a motion made and seconded,the meeting was unanimously adjoumed at 9:07 p.m. Marguerite Ro ,Recording Secretary