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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2001_07_19 Board of Architectural Review Minutes AMENDED MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE • BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW OF THE TOWN OF MAMARONECK JULY 19, 2001, IN THE SENIOR CENTER, TOWN CENTER 740 WEST BOSTON POST ROAD, MAMARONECK, NEW YORK Present: Robert M. Immerman, Acting Chairman e 4 Sue Ellen CommenderRECE�V Anthony Spagnola "# �— Pamela T. Washington DEC, 28 2001 C PATRICIA A.DiClofCto Also Present: Ronald A. Carpaneto, Director of Building "' TOWN CLERK PAAPAAROREM Absent: Edward Z. Jacobson, Chairman .,;- -i ' CALL TO ORDER The meeting was called to order by Acting Chairman Robert M. Immerman at 8:05 p.m. APPROVAL OF MINUTES Mr. Immerman asked if anyone had any comments on the May 17, 2001 Board of Architectural Review Minutes. After some discussion and corrections made, upon a motion made by Mr. Spagnola, seconded by Ms. Washington, the Amended Minutes of the May 17, 2001 meeting were unanimously approved as noted. 411 Mr. Immerman informed the two applicants present this evening that there are four Board members present this evening,which means any decision made has to be unanimous. He said if they don't want to take that risk, they could come back next month. Those present stayed to be heard. Acting Chairman Robert M. Immerman read the first application as follows: DUNKIN DONUTS/Patsis - 1311 Boston Post Road - Block 412, Lot 288 - facade (adjourned 11/16/00; 12/21/00;1/18/01;3/15/01;6/21/01) Al Elnaial, from Design Group Architectura, appeared to represent Dunkin Donuts on the Boston Post Road. He said at the last meeting the issue was to provide the standing seam metal siding under the roof parapets, instead of stucco. The Board also requested to see samples. Mr. Spagnola requested orientation regarding the plan and elevations. Mr. Elnaial clarified the side of the Post Road. Mr. Elnaial explained where they are proposing the addition. Mr. Spagnola said this rendering is very deceiving. Mr. Spagnola asked where is the Post Road in the rendering? • Mr. Elnaial demonstrated where the Post Road is. Mr. Elnaial said we have the colored photos from the last meeting. Mr. Spagnola said so that's the way it looks. Board of Architectural Review July 19, 12001 Page 2 • Ms. Washington said this is the driveway. Mr. Elnaial said that the existing wall is all brick right now. It's all light patched different colors. Mr. Elnaial said we had colored photos from the last meeting, to show the existing conditions. Mr. Spagnola asked what are the mullions in the drawing, wood? Mr. Elnaial said the grates are inside the glass. It's a one inch mullion. We couldn't get samples. Ms. Commender asked what color they are. Mr. Elnaial said they're going to be white. Ms. Washington asked if he's saying the stucco under the windows is going to be the same color. Mr. Elnaial said the windows, the grill, is going to be white, unless the Board suggests a different color. Ms. Washington said but the aluminum storefront itself is going to be grey. Mr. Immerman said it's going to be an aluminum color. Mr. Elnaial said just a natural aluminum color. Mr. Immerman said it's really just the outer frame. • Ms. Washington said she always thinks of windows as the mullions on the outside, at least matching what the windows look like. Ms. Washington said if the mullions are all white, then maybe the windows could be white. If this is grey, maybe this should be grey. It gets to be pretty boring if the whole thing is grey. Ms. Washington said, doesn't it make more sense to have white mullions with a grey surround? Mr. Elnaial said that they're open for any suggestions. They have no problem with any colors. Mr. Immerman said he said that the stucco was going to be that grey. You said that's a little too dark. Mr. Elnaial said pointed out the proposed stucco color. Mr. Immerman said but the Board thinks it may be a little too dark. The question is how much lighter would you want to go. After some discussion regarding the color, inside and outside, and the mullions,Ms. Washington said that the part that you see from the outside can be a different color than the part that you see on the inside. In your house you have the mullion on the inside of the window painted white to match, if you have a white window. On the outside of your house if your trim is green and the windows are painted green, then they're green. Mr. Immerman asked would you rather have it all white? Ms. Washington asked, have the windows all white? • Mr. Immerman said yes. Ms. Washington said one thing about white is that it gets dirty and as it ages it looks more aged and starts out grey. Board of Architectural Review July 19, 12001 Page 3 • Ms. Commender said what about what we were talking about before. Pier I and the GAP have that kind of stucco, white, and maybe it would be too much. Mr. Spagnola said the mullions are what? Mr. Elnaial said the grills are inside the glass. It's a 1 inch. We couldn't get samples. Ms. Commender asked what color. Mr. Elnaial said they're going to be white. Mr. Elnaial said we're open for any suggestions. We have no problem with any colors. Ms. Washington said that's one reason we felt a grey building as opposed to a cream colored building was something different. Mr. Spagnola asked what she's suggesting. Ms. Washington said it can also be stucco on the parking lot side in the back. Ms. Commender asked what color was the lettering? Mr. Elnaial said it was submitted on the drawings. Mr. Spagnola asked if the lettering would be the same as it exists now. • Mr. Elnaial said yes. Ms. Washington asked if the brick going to be covered with Dryvit. Mr. Elnaial said it will be covered with stucco. Ms. Washington said the planter is not shown on the architectural plan. She said in front of the window, there's a planter. Mr. Elnaial said no, they're not showing it on the elevation. Mr. Spagnola asked what happens to the mullions out here? Mr. Elnaial said the whole thing is going to be replaced and it's going to look exactly the same. Mr. Spagnola asked Mr. Elnaial to point that out, which he did. After some discussion, Mr. Immerman said these two are at angles. Mr. Elnaial said we consider this as the front elevation. Ms. Washington said the elevation drawing isn't exactly correct, because there are some division lines here that are heavier than what you're showing. • Mr. Spagnola said that's this door. Mr. Elnaial said probably you're talking about the support columns inside the vestibule area, right? Ms. Washington said you're not planning to replace this with one piece glass. Board of Architectural Review July 19, 12001 Page 4 • Mr. Elnaial said no. Ms. Washington said this piece of glass will have divisions in it, so technically it won't look like this. It will look more like this rendering where there's a section with the dividing line, with which Mr. Elnaial agreed. Ms. Washington said that plan indicates locations of dividing lines that you're actually going to construct that that plans shows us. I'll be able to go there and each of those will be there exactly the same way. She said that's why we're here. Mr. Elnaial said O.K., we'll make sure. Mr. Spagnola asked where is this right here in this plan. Mr. Elnaial said he thinks this is supposed to be part of the glass in here. He doesn't know why the draftsman didn't draw the glass in here, but all this should be continuous. Mr. Immerman said it should have the door in it. Mr. Elnaial said if you look under here at 90 degrees, you'll see a portion of the door. Mr. Immerman said that's right. A discussion ensued in an effort to correlate the plan and the elevations. • Mr. Elnaial said this perspective was done just to give an idea how this building is going to look with a mansard, so it wasn't probably that much detailed to reflect the existing condition of the glass. It was just to give an idea how this thing will look, looking from Boston Post Road. I Ms. Washington said it's going to have a mansard roof, but it's not going to have a panel look to it. Mr. Elnaial said because of the big mansard, the one issue is should we provide roof shingles, should we go for stucco or should we go for standing seam. That's why we drew this prospective,just to give an idea. Mr. Spagnola said all this gets taken down, and meets all the mullions on this side. This all becomes the stucco underneath the roof. Mr. Spagnola said this material here, this line, again this elevation is not accurate, that's not going to be that much of a surface. It's more a part of the glass. Mr. Spagnola asked what are you building this from, if this elevation is not accurate. Mr. Elnaial said we're building it from photos, as a matter of fact, because we don't have any set of existing drawings. Mr. Spagnola asked if he's going to have a set of drawings. Mr. Elnaial said when it goes to the construction document phase, then we will provide the full elevations, we'll show the new building and we'll have to revise this. • Mr. Spagnola said this is fairly accurate down here, the brick line down here, and that becomes the stucco, with which Mr. Elnaial agreed. Mr. Immerman said with this planter planted. He asked if he's going to remove this bumper. Board of Architectural Review July 19, 12001 Page 5 . Mr. Elnaial said he thinks there is a landscape drawing presented. We don't know what the intention is, because we are not the site plan engineers. We're here just to discuss the architectural design and the colors. Mr. Immerman said if he's going to plant in that planter, he thinks that bumper could come out. Mr. Elnaial said O.K. Ms. Commender asked if that could become a problem. Mr. Elnaial said they have to provide bollards,just to protect the vestibule and the planter, too. Ms. Commender asked what they were referring to. Mr. Elnaial said bollards. Ms. Washington said vertical posts that you can hit instead, before you would hit the wall. Mr. Spagnola said you also have to put something in front of the chain link fence that divides this property from Pier I. They are constantly all bent. It looks disgusting. There's got to be a way to rectify that. Mr. Spagnola said the problem is that this side of it is where the front of the tire overhangs the stop. Ms. Washington asked if he thinks that wheel stops would be appropriate or a good idea. . Mr. Spagnola said we need something. Mr. Immerman said it looks like parking is off your property anyway. Ms. Washington said some of it is. Mr. Immerman said he thinks it would be nice if all the window frame were white. Ms. Washington asked if he thought a little of the storefront should be white. Do you think the storefront should be white or grey. The Board members said white. Mr. Spagnola said he would just like the grey of the stucco to be dark enough to give it a little bit of a contrast to the window framing. He asked, if the frame on the door is white, do you think there's enough contrast there? Mr. Immerman said probably not. The only thing you can do is have the frames all grey, but I think white is more cheerful. Mr. Spagnola said he thinks you need a little bit of weight down at the bottom. Either way, I think it's fine with the grey roof. Ms. Commender said it's very difficult to visualize without seeing the colors of the letters, which are supposed to be mounted directly on the roof. You can't even say it's the best color it could be, because • you don't have that orange and deep pink. Mr. Immerman said it's exactly the colors as shown in the photos After further discussion, Mr. Immerman said he doesn't have any problem with it. He doesn't feel he needs to see the exact color. Board of Architectural Review July 19, 12001 Page 6 IIIMr. Spagnola asked the size of the letters. Mr. Elnaial said they are 18 inches high. Mr. Spagnola asked what the side of the letters are? Mr. Elnaial said they're going to be grey colored, the facing around the letters, right? Ms. Commender asked the same as the roof? Mr. Elnaial said we can make it the same as the roof, but usually the original color was grey on the building. They had to match that casing around the letters to match the building colors. We can match the casing with whatever color we pick for the mansard. Mr. Spagnola said he thinks you should, too. After some discussion among Board members regarding the color, Ms. Washington asked if there are any other points we haven't discussed. Mr. Immerman said the landscape plan. Ms. Commender said you can't make this a solid window here, or am I missing something. Ms. Washington said that's the new construction between the existing building and the new little addition. They need enough piers there. ip After further discussion, Mr. Spagnola asked for clarification on the elevation. Mr. Elnaial said that there is one window here. Ms. Washington asked if it will have a mullion on it and will it be divided? Mr. Elnaial said no. Ms. Washington asked why won't it have mullions on it, like the other windows? Mr. Elnaial said we're doing it horizontally. It's such a narrow window. Mr. Spagnola said it would look better if you just carried the horizontals across. Mr. Immerman said that's a new piece. Ms. Washington said that's going to be a new window. The window and the door are in the addition. Mr. Spagnola said he thinks it looks weird, because it's just like a strip. After some discussion, Ms. Commender asked if you need to have a window there. Would it look better if it was solid? Mr. Immerman said no, because there's enough solid on that whole wall. IIIMr. Immerman said if you're inside, it should look from the inside like the rest of the storefront. Mr. Spagnola said that the front part you would see with the rest of the windows. Mr. Spagnola said all of the coping on the top matches the mansard, correct? Board of Architectural Review July 19, 12001 Page 7 1 • Mr. Elnaial said correct. Mr. Spagnola said basically the only thing you're doing the white is the window framing and the doors on the entrance side. Mr. Elnaial said if you look across the street, it's almost like this color in here. After further discussion regarding the color, Mr. Carpaneto asked if the glass is clear. Mr. Elnaial said yes, the glass is clear. Mr. Immerman said use a selected grey for the mansard, and 612 Moonlight for the stucco. The question was raised regarding the color of the service doors. Mr. Immerman asked which grey, the same as the moonlight or the same as the mansard? Mr. Elnaial said the moonlight. Mr. Immerman said the service doors should match the stucco. Mr. Elnaial said and the grills white? Mr. Immerman said the grills and the frame. leMs. Washington said the grills, the window frame and the entrance door frame. Mr. Elnaial said everything is white. Mr. Carpaneto said as he sees it, give him a plan with the selected color numbers on it. Mr. Elnaial said he will mail it to him. Mr. Spagnola said we're adding horizontal mullions to the side window next to the service door, with which Mr. Elnaial agreed. Mr. Spagnola said and the metal coping will match on the mansard. Mr. Elnaial said coping to match the metal. Mr. Spagnola asked if the sides of the letters are painted to match the mansard roof? Mr. Elnaial said yes. On a motion made and seconded, the following resolution was unanimously ADOPTED: WHEREAS, LPGM Corp./Dunkin Donuts have submitted an application to the Building Inspector, together with plans to change the facade, lighting and interior (?); and WHEREAS, the Building Inspector has declined to issue such permit on the grounds that the review by the Board of Architectural Review is required; and • WHEREAS, LPGM Corp./Dunkin Donuts submitted an application for approval to the Board; and Board of Architectural Review July 19, 12001 Page 8 iWHEREAS, this Board has examined the plans, inspected the site, reviewed the application and has heard all persons interested in this application; and NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the subject application be and the same is APPROVED, subject to the following conditions: 1. The number for the mansard is #13, Dove Grey. 2. The color for the stucco is going to be#612, Moonlight. 3. The mullions are going to be white. 4. The coping is going to match the mansard and the letter size is 18 inches. Ms. Washington said the doors for the public will be white. Mr. Spagnola said all the entry doors for the public and the frames are all white. As a note, any mechanicals on the exterior walls coming around, any conduits, vents should all be painted out to match the stucco. Mr. Immerman said on the landscape plan,we already talked about two things; one, removing the bumper in front of your planter. If you want to put bollards, the bollards should be the same color as the building or the same color of the roof. After some discussion, Mr. Immerman said he thinks they should match the roof. Also, find a way to protect the fence, even though it's not on your property. Mr. Spagnola said the wheel stops will be on your property. Mr. Immerman said no they won't, at which time a discussion ensued. After further discussion, Mr. Spagnola said he thinks we should do the good neighbor thing and put a bumper there. There's a bumper there now that's not working. You're making a great improvement on the building. He thinks we should improve the condition of that fence. Ms. Commender said he said at one point this was going to be expensive. Mr. Elnaial said they're not increasing the occupancy and not increasing the parking spaces. Mr. Immerman asked if he wanted to discuss his landscape plan or does he want the Board to just react to what they see on the paper. Mr. Elnaial said he thinks he wants the Board to react. He's not a landscape architect. They've done this just to get Board input. They're open for any suggestions. Mr. Immerman said he thinks Mr. Elnaial did a professional job. Let the record say, we asked you for a landscape plan and you brought us one. Mr. Immerman will now defer to his colleagues for any comments they may have to what he's showing. 110 Ms. Commender said her only comment would be, she thinks it's a little bit dark on the side street for adequate light for some plants. • Board of Architectural Review July 19, 12001 Page 9 • Mr. Immerman said you seemed to have called for more perennials than you show; 18 assorted perennials as designated and in the plant schedule you're saying you're giving us 48. There are 30 more perennials. Do you know where your landscape architect is going to put them? • Mr. Elnaial said he doesn't know. He said we can put them wherever the Board wants them put. Ms. Commender said it would be very nice to have a perennial garden out in front. Mr. Spagnola said there's no reason why you can't distribute 30 perennials along these beds. Ms. Commender said someone has to take care of them. Mr. Spagnola said of course they do. Mr. Elnaial said he is going to have a landscape company come in and do this every week. Mr. Carpaneto said that's part of the operation. Mr. Immerman said may we suggest that the remaining 30 be somehow distributed in the beds, at which time a discussion ensued regarding where they can be placed. At this point in time, Mr. Immerman said he thinks the Board members are speaking too quietly and it's probably not being picked up on the tape. Since there's going to be a landscape company involved,he is inclined to leave it to their suggestion. • Ms. Washington said she thinks that's a good idea. Ms. Commender agreed. • On a motion made by Ms. Washington, seconded by Mr. Spagnola, the following resolution was unanimously ADOPTED: WHEREAS, LPGM Corp./Dunkin Donuts have submitted an application to the Building Inspector, together with plans to change the facade, lighting and interior(?); and WHEREAS, the Building Inspector has declined to issue such permit on the grounds that the review by the Board of Architectural Review is required; and WHEREAS, LPGM Corp./Dunkin Donuts submitted an application for approval to the Board; and WHEREAS, this Board has examined the plans, inspected the site, reviewed the application and has heard all persons interested in this application; and NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the subject application be and the same is APPROVED, subject to the following conditions: 1. The landscape plan be amended to put wheel stops on the parking spaces adjacent to the chain link fence; • 2. Remove the continuous metal bumper in front of the planter and replace it with bollards to match the color of the roof; 4110 Board of Architectural Review July 19, 12001 Page 10 • 3. The perennials indicated on the plant legend of the landscape plan be primarily planted in the front bed on the Boston Post Road or the sunniest spots. • 4. The landscape company hired to maintain the property, maintain the perennials planted. Choose the perennials plants to provide the best for the property's light conditions. Acting Chairman Robert M. Immerman read the next application as follows: SOLO CLEAN DRY CLEANERS/Adamo/Neptune Signs- 1262 Boston Post Road-Block 407,Lot 192- sign(adjourned 6/21/01) Peter Grenci appeared to address the Board for Neptune signs and Solo Clean Dry Cleaners, at Village Square Shopping Center, for refacing the sign. Mr. Grenci said he's going to have to use pictures of the existing. Mr. Immerman said last time you had a logo, with which Mr. Grenci agreed. Mr. Spagnola said he's going back to match existing. Mr. Immerman said that's what the Board requested. Mr. Spagnola said the background is anodized. Mr. Grenci said right. It's hard to say exactly. Some of theses are actually more of a brown, that • probably started out as originals, originally anodized. Mr. Spagnola asked if he's going back to match existing. Mr. Grenci said that's right. Ms. Washington said she feels sorry for the company that's doesn't say Solo Dry Cleaners on it, in case anybody wanted to call them up. She asked if it's going to say Solo on it anywhere. Mr. Grenci said no, not on the sign. There was no problem. They wanted to keep it simple. On a motion made by Ms. Washington, seconded by Ms. Commender, the following resolution was unanimously ADOPTED: WHEREAS, SOLO CLEAN DRY CLEANERS/Adamo/Neptune Signs-1262 Boston Post Road - Block 407, Lot 192 - sign have submitted an application to the Building Inspector, together with plans to reface light box; and WHEREAS, the Building Inspector has declined to issue such permit on the grounds that the review by the Board of Architectural Review is required; and WHEREAS, SOLO CLEAN DRY CLEANERS/Adamo/Neptune Signs submitted an application for approval to the Board; and WHEREAS, this Board has examined the plans, inspected the site, reviewed the application and has heard all persons interested in this application; and • NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT 410 Board of Architectural Review July 19, 12001 Page 11 0RESOLVED, that the subject application be and the same is APPROVED, subject to the following conditions: • 1. Accept the sign as submitted. Acting Chairman Robert M. Immerman read the next application as follows: EVERYTHING HAIR/Jason Pulcino- 1262 Boston Post Road - Block 407, Lot 192 - sign Mr. Immerman asked if anyone was present representing Everything Hair. No one was present to represent Everything Hair. Mr. Immerman said that the matter will be held over to the next meeting. Acting Chairman Robert M. Immerman read the application as follows: ACURA OF WESTCHESTER/Robert Lewis/White Plains Sign-2155 Palmer Avenue-Block 501 -Lot 1 - sign Robert Lewis said it's a pretty straight forward change of a sign. They're going to take one sign down and are going to replace it with a smaller sign. He said we've had discussions and we've lowered the sign to the height that was mandated, so we didn't have to go for a variance. We're going to put this right at ground level. He believes the Board has the information in front of them. It's going to be put right into the ground. The color configuration is a navy blue. He said they may have given the Board slate blue as • a wrong designation. This is a navy blue. Mr. Spagnola asked if this is the right color. • Mr. Lewis said yes. This is the actual color. Mr. Spagnola said what he doesn't understand is this drawing compared to this drawing. Mr. Lewis said here, you see this drawing. The only thing is they didn't bring it up. These are basically national buildings. We build hundreds of these units in Tennessee. What happened at that point we came up with this concept, but we didn't show the detail. We didn't know that we were doing this wrong. We're showing it here. This is showing you the mounting methods and the side section here. This is what the sign will actually look like. Mr. Spagnola asked where is this type of monument sign used, this one here. Mr. Lewis said this type of sign is used throughout the country now. However, it's a much higher profile. We had to customize this basically because of the sign ordinance that you have set up in the Town of Mamaroneck. Normally this is a much smaller profile. Mr. Spagnola said this is a 5 ft. 7 in. sign. A monument sign, correct. Mr. Lewis said correct. Mr. Spagnola said this is ground level, correct. • Mr. Lewis said correct. Mr. Spagnola said you're proposing that we take that 5.7 ft. sign or 5.9 ft. as you call it and add another III3 ft. to it for the base. He asked why are you doing that? Board of Architectural Review July 19, 12001 Page 12 • Mr. Lewis said they wanted to go 15 ft. and Mr. Carpaneto told them they couldn't go more than 12 ft. Mr. Carpaneto said no, 6 ft. Mr. Carpaneto said he doesn't have this drawing. • After some discussion regarding the drawings and the revised drawing, Ms. Commender asked what happens to the sign in front that says parking service. Mr. Immerman said he doesn't know, because it's going to conflict. Ms. Washington said there won't be a parking service sign until you get into the lot? Mr. Lewis said correct. Mr. Immerman asked if it's champagne or is it aluminum silver? Mr. Immerman said that disappears, because you're not having the space. Mr. Lewis said right. This will no longer exist. Mr. Immerman asked what this thing is (wing-like appendage). Mr. Spagnola said it's a wing thing. Mr. Lewis said the wing will be an aluminum color. • Mr. Immerman said what have you got. Mr. Lewis said that's the way they're built. • Ms. Washington said it's the logo. Mr. Lewis said that's the logo. After further discussion, Mr. Immerman said this is aluminum silver, not champagne and asked if that's correct. Mr. Lewis said it's a champagne color, but it's aluminum material. Ms. Commender said it seems like everything else on the building is white. White lettering on a white background. Mr. Immerman said he's not putting a new sign on the building. Ms. Commender said the drawing says new urban building sign. Mr. Lewis said this is just giving you a site location where this is going. Ms. Commender said, so the existing sign is red on the building? Mr. Lewis said you have photos. • A gentleman said he did not survey the site. Bob Lewis did and he's no longer with the firm. Ms. Commender reiterated, but the lettering is red. • Mr. Spagnola said it's the grey field. It probably matches this sign. Board of Architectural Review July 19, 12001 Page 13 • Ms. Commender said then there are several signs all around the property and they're all grey background with red lettering. • Mr. Spagnola said she is absolutely right. Mr. Immerman said if this is their new logo color scheme, they should change the other sign. Mr. Lewis said he can direct them to change this to grey, if the Board wants this in grey. I can definitely do that, or we can do that in-house when we bring it in. Mr. Spagnola said the issue is the blue, too. This whole field color is blue, correct. Mr. Lewis said correct. He said he's going to have difficulty changing the blue,because that's their color. Mr. Spagnola said he doesn't understand. They're switching corporate signage, but they're not switching the other building signs on the exterior? Mr. Lewis said no. At this point in time, right now, it just seems like they're doing the main identification program. Mr. Spagnola said he would consider this sign a main identification program. Mr. Lewis said, at that point,he's not privy to what corporate is doing with the building. Basically, I'm only directing and that's what I've been told. This is their new program for their main I.D. We're changing it system wide throughout Westchester. • Mr. Immerman asked what's illuminated on this sign, the whole thing? Mr. Lewis said Acura will light up, this will light up and part of this will not light up. Mr. Spagnola said so the word, "Acura" will be illuminated. Mr. Lewis said Acura will light. This logo outer ring will light, this will light and this will remain dark. Parts of the logo will not. Mr. Spagnola said he agrees with Ms. Commender that it's a very half-baked approach to a new corporate identity. Ms. Commender said when Castro Convertibles came in front of the Board, they had to change the sign on the building, take it down and to make it consistent throughout. Mr. Lewis said again, everything is amenable. If you say so, I'll go back to corporate and tell them you have to paint this sign this color configuration. Mr. Spagnola said signs on the site that are going to remain should reflect the new logo sign out front. He doesn't understand how you could have half of it done. Mr. Lewis asked are they red and white, he hasn't seen the scale? Mr. Spagnola said he doesn't know if they're white. It looks like it's a grey field and it's clearly red letters. Here it is. 1110 After some discussion, Mr. Immerman said that the building sign matches it. • Mr. Spagnola said that's clearly the same. Board of Architectural Review July 19, 12001 Page 14 • Ms. Washington said it's red letters on a grey background. Ms. Commender said in the middle of the lot there's a sign that's got three sides. It says preexisting • automobiles or preowned automobiles, there's an enter and exit sign and they're all the same colors. Mr. Spagnola said they were probably all done at the same time. Mr. Spagnola said he thinks this is wrong. Mr. Lewis said if the Board will approve it,he'll go back to corporate and tell them they have to paint this white and the lettering has to be red or vice versa. He thinks that will be a little gross. After further discussion, Mr. Immerman asked wouldn't he rather have the other signs changed to match the new color scheme. Mr. Lewis said of course, but I don't know what I think we have here. Ms. Washington said the first proposal would be that all the signage on the building be changed to blue and white to match the new monument sign. Mr. Spagnola said he guarantees in corporate standards they have, in this new system, all of this stuff. You would know what you want to know, for whatever reasons, but we could certainly ask the questions. Ms. Washington said our preference is to change all the signs on the property to reflect one corporate image and that be the blue and white ones they're presenting today for the monument sign. • Mr. Lewis said and the reverse scenario of that is, I'll go back to them and say O.K. this has to match the existing signs. • Ms. Spagnola said you design a monument sign that matches the other stuff. Ms. Washington said the fallback to this is that the monument sign match in color and material type the existing signs and be the size that is shown on this monument sign drawing. Mr. Immerman said he would think that in terms of their corporate image, that's marching backwards. Ms. Washington said they can decide that. She said what do we want to see in our Town? Ms. Commender said she is sure they have the wherewithal to change all of it. Mr. Immerman said of course they do. Mr. Lewis said his honest opinion is that they're not going to want to change all the signs, they'd rather change that one than change the rest of the signage. It's a lot more costly for them to change the rest of the signage than it is to do this monument. Ms. Commender said they also have on the property the enter and exit signs and the directional traffic signs that according to the codes can only be 3 ft. tall. These signs are really big. They're about as tall as I am, and I'm 5.3 ft. Mr. Lewis said it's the size of the monument sign. • Ms. Commender said maybe they should consider changing all the signs, because some of them are out of code anyhow. • Ms. Washington said and they're the minimum. • Board of Architectural Review July 19, 12001 Page 15 0 Mr. Immerman said but they're directionals. You're supposed to come in here and go out there. Mr. Spagnola said another reason this new sign, which is almost the height of that free standing entry/exit • sign, is the grey with the red letters on it. Ms. Commender said every sign there is like that. Mr. Lewis said let me make sure. He's sorry he didn't get in on this in the beginning, but Bob kind of dropped the ball on this. He asked, where is my removal on this? Ms. Commender asked if there is any limit on monument sign as to the height of the logo, because on all the other signs, like on a wall sign, the letters are limited? The logo is 30 in. tall. Mr. Carpaneto said it's 32 inches. Ms. Commender said that's half the size of the sign, almost. Mr. Carpaneto said he doesn't think it's specific on a logo sign. Mr. Spagnola said we don't know clearly that logo is not appearing anywhere else. It's a little bit tight though. It's interesting lettering. I still don't understand what they want to do. Mr. Lewis said he can change the colors. Mr. Spagnola said our first choice is that they have the rest of the building standards which the developers • changed about everywhere. If they are not willing to do that, then you make a proposal to make a monument sign that feels like the rest of the signage on the property. III Mr. Lewis asked, with the grey background and the red letters to match the grey background that exists and the lettering that now exists? He said he has no trouble going back and telling them that this is what has been approved, if you'll approve it. Ms. Washington said those are the choices, in that order. Mr. Lewis said he will give them that option. After that, then they have to basically file for a variance and do whatever they want to do. Ms. Washington said or come back with a proposal of their own. Ms. Washington asked if you want to approve this with the caveat or do you want to have them come back? Mr. Immerman said they have to come back. On a motion made by Ms. Washington, seconded by Mr. Spagnola, it was unanimously RESOLVED, that this matter be, and hereby is, adjourned to the August 16, 2001 meeting, for the presentation with the suggestions the Board has made. Mr. Lewis asked if he can get that in writing, so he can send it on to corporate to let them know. Mr. Carpaneto said he can give Mr. Lewis a copy of the Minutes when they are ready. IIIMr. Lewis said he would appreciate that. ill • Board of Architectural Review July 19, 12001 Page 16 • Mr. Carpaneto said he's not going to have that next month, because you don't get approval unless I can get a ruling from the Board. Mr. Carpaneto said he can just write Mr. Lewis a memo saying that the Board wishes to see a uniform signage color system. • Mr. Lewis said that a memo would suffice. Mr. Immerman asked if there was any other business. Ms. Washington asked Councilwoman Judy Myers about the contract for Myrtle Boulevard. Tell us about our lamp post and our sidewalk. Ms. Myers said they're starting on August 16. Mr. Immerman said in front of 16 North Chatsworth. He asked if she's pleased with the general overall results. Ms. Meyers said she thinks so. Personally, yes. The result was part of the recommendation that came out of here. Because the sidewalks are going to be so long, they will do something more decorative on the edges. This is sort of a bold look. It's poured concrete with a stamped pattern. It's colored concrete. They included more trees, per your request. We saved some money by saying we will purchase and plant the trees, not using the contractor. Ms. Washington asked for what is the money that we saved going to used? Ms. Myers said that the town is so over what we originally planned. The concrete costs went way up. We're not doing the Bomanite in the driveway. That saved us some money. We're not doing that strip by the garage. The only way we were able to afford it was not doing that area at all. • Ms. Washington said by the parking garage. Mr. Myers said correct. We're hoping to make up this money to then pay for islands, if that works out, and maybe the parking garage. Ms. Washington said or the other side of the street. Ms. Myers said it depends on whatever happens to the development and property. Maybe he'd like to do something more. Mr. Spagnola said the lamps are going all the way, the street lights and the trees. Ms. Myers said there would be an experimental island. She thanked the Board for their help. Ms. Washington asked if there's been any more talk about expanding the Board's comments on major residential construction or residential construction that exceeds a certain size of an existing house or anything like that? Ms. Myers said no, unless you would like to start it. There is very little really that is really outside of what zoning allows. It's just what it seems to be. It's filling out existing space, so they're really not interested in any variances. Ms. Washington said that's not to say that the zoning variances aren't more generous than the houses that • are built. What is the character of the community that we want? Ms. Myers said right. Nothing relates to the character. • • Board of Architectural Review July 19, 12001 Page 17 Mr. Immerman said we might have had something to say about that new house down at the bottom of North Chatsworth. • After further discussion, Ms. Washington said that the Board should have an opportunity to review major new residential construction. Mr. Immerman said there is no rule against aluminum siding in the community, is that correct? The Building Inspector said no. In the Village of Larchmont, yes. Ms. Washington said these are the kinds of issues that if we're interested in hearing these things,we need to have a law passed that creates an expanded authority. There's zoning for height, but we don't have zoning for related heights and what came up and it's been dropped. So, it's not an issue, but it could come back again. There was a family that wanted to redo a house. They weren't going to need a zoning variance, as I understand it, because they were only going to stay within the zoning requirements for height, but it's up on a ridge. Mr. Carpaneto said it would have required a zoning variance for the stairs and landings from the house, but the house had been built two and one-half stories as-of-right. Because it was on that crest, it was going to tower over all the other homes and the neighborhood went bonkers. Mr. Carpaneto said the applicant basically just withdrew, based on the sensitivity of the public, the neighbors. He said that the Building Department is getting information from other municipalities about ridge laws and what do you do when something is designed with site adding to height. Mr. Carpaneto said sometimes there's a dimension facing from the curb to the steps of the building in some codes. Right now, technically they could build that footprint. Personally, the way it worked out is really good. That's what you really want. It is not going to turn into some kind of a legal battle or a big zoning Sbattle, but to be able to have the neighbors join together and talk to the family. Mr. Immerman said the way they aesthetically commented on Dunkin Donuts,I think we could have helped that new house they built on North Chatsworth with the brick covered box. It's creamy colored brick all the way up. It would have been much nicer if it had other materials. NEXT MEETING The next meeting of the BAR will be held on August 16, 2001. ADJOURNMENT After further discussion, on a motion made by Ms. Washington, seconded by Mr. Spagnola, the meeting was adjourned at 9:22 p.m. Marguerite Ro , Recording Secretary • S